PZO: What question comes up in
every interview, that you are tired of being asked?
Jon: Oh, I think everyone always asks us if weíre an emo band, if we would
classify ourselves as an emo band. And I donít care whatever people want
to classify music as if they would say weíre an emo band thatís fine,
if thatís the way someone can classify a genre of music whether itís one
type or another when heís not even into emo or indie music, heíll listen
to it and be like, hey you guys sound like Korn or something. People donít
know you know what I mean, thatís what Iím saying people have different
ways of classifying music.
PZO: People always have to clump bands together.
Jon: Yeah exactly.
PZO: I donít like when people do that, itís like every band does their
own thing unless theyíre copying off someone else.
Jon: Yeah, I think thatís the question we always get asked though if we
consider ourselves an emo band, and Iím just like whatever if you want
to consider us that thatís fine you know, but I definitely think weíre
a rock band playing music. Itís not like we set out and said weíre going
to be an emo band, weíre just going to play music.
PZO: What do you have in your pockets right
Jon: In my pockets? <laughs> I got a pack of extra gum, I
got my wallet, my CMJ pass and my cell phone thatís pretty much it.
PZO: No lint or anything?
Jon: Actually, these pants I havenít washed them forever cause weíve been
on tour for a long time. Letís see I got cash, which is very slim to none,
and I got some Tylenol pills because Iím sick. And a guitar pick.
PZO: You have a cold?
Jon: Yeah a really bad one.
PZO: I had it last week and I couldnít even talk.
Jon: Itís been killing me lately.
PZO: Everyone around me has been catching it like the whole cold thing.
Jon: I havenít felt sick in a long ass time, and Iíve been really sick
PZO: You donít sing do you?
Jon: No, I just play bass so itís cool. I do screaming off the mic, but
thatís not important.
PZO: Probably sounds even better.
Jon: <laughs> Iíll be like <screams> yahh.
PZO: What is the worst advice youíve even been
Jon: I think just from talking to people not necessarily others, people
who I grew up around who found out that Iíve wanted to do music as a thing
and stuff. Itís something that people shied away against; itís just something
that you shouldnít do.
PZO: Itís not a real job and stuff.
Jon: Everyoneís just like well if it doesnít pan out then you got to go
back to school, and Iím just like no, this what I want to do with my life
for a while. And I guess thatís one thing thatís always ends up getting
brought up, especially with family sometimes. My family is really supportive
but thereís times when they get frustrated like when money gets rough
PZO: In your press release it said you still have your day job when
you go home, what do you do?
Jon: I work at this company, itís actually a staffing service called Four
Legs Staffing Service, itís when they place you in temp jobs so I work
for this company called Century Mortgage, itís seriously, it was literally
a Office Space job, like Iíd sit in a cubicle all day. So would Josh,
the singer, his desk was five or ten feet away from mine. And it was total
Office Space, I remember one time my job was like, I was supposed to have
email and they never set me up an email system. So they would have all
these meetings I wouldnít know about and theyíd be like did you get the
email memo. And it was so Office Space you know what I mean.
PZO: That movie was one of the greatest
Jon: It ruled, but I like it itís a really good job, but itís really flexible.
PZO: And they let you go on tour and stuff?
Jon: Yeah I doubt weíll be able to go back to the same job after this
tour cause itís been so long and then weíve got so much more stuff coming
in the next couple of months. Theyíre definitely supportive and I know
the staff and service will help us out and stuff like that. Yeah I donít
want to work my day job anymore I just want to play music.
PZO: Thatís everyoneís dream.
Jon: Yeah exactly. <laughs>
PZO: Given the opportunity who would you kidnap
for a day?
Jon: Dude I think Iím not gonna mention girls, so Iíll probably mention
guys so Iíd probably kidnap Matt Talbott of Hum because Hum is probably
my favorite band of all time so Iíll probably kidnap him because Iíve
never met the guy and this band that we know Hopesfall, they recorded
with him and stuff like that. I donít know, itíd be a dream of mine to
like meet that guy and talk to him and find out what the hell is in his
PZO: Get free lessons.
Jon: Yeah exactly. That band influenced me more than anything yeah thereís
tons of metal bands I listen to but heís got to be the one person Iíd
PZO: You have a vast influence spectrum; Iím not going to ask that question
Jon: Yeah itís very, a lot of people are like, this guy we did a radio
interview at WSOU I forgot the frequency.
Jon: Yeah 89.5.
PZO: Itís the best station and I donít get it.
Jon: Yeah it rules, everybodyís been there like Thursday were there...
trying to think of other bands.
PZO: A lot of bands like Face to Face, AFI.
Jon: Yeah Sparta, Face to Face, AFI all those bands started out there
before they made it big and stuff and for us to be able to go in there
and be like whoa this is such a privilege and the guy when he was interviewing
me and the band he was just like I was looking through the website and
stuff and just looking at the music you guys, we do a curved play list
at our website and you guys styles ranges from Dido to In Flames and stuff.
You know what I mean. Or like Green Day or something like that. I listen
PZO: I think you can hear it in the music.
Jon: Yeah I like Natalie Imbruglia a lot and I love Rush and Hum, tons
of metal like In Flames. Then thereís punk, dude I love Face to Face,
Green Day I love Green Day. Green Day and Soundgarden are the two bands
that I picked up on my own when I started to get into music. Like when
I started to listen to music for myself it was Soundgarden and Green Day.
Those were the two first bands I listened to.
PZO: Yeah Green Day led me into punk. I love them.
Jon: Yeah thatís awesome.
PZO: Whatís one slang word that you canít stand?
Jon: <laughs> Well this guy named Rory he runs our record
label of the Militia Group. And Rory always says this word chill. Itís
chill itís chill donít worry bout it itís chill.
PZO: Yeah, they say that a lot here.
Jon: In California everyoneís starting to say it and I just think itís
funny I think itís hilarious just out of the blue.
PZO: Trying to rip off the New Yorkers?
Jon: Like Rory heís hilarious but heís the kind of guy like someone is
pissed off and heíd be like oh itís chill itís just hilarious cause you
just laugh at him, it gets annoying after a while but whatever.
PZO: Thatís one of my least favorite oneís also. Like trying to replace
cool and all.
<Itís chill is repeated several times after>
PZO: Well being that today is Halloween, what
was your favorite costume from when you were a kid?
Jon: Letís see, probably the grim reaper.
PZO: Actually my horoscope said to dress up as either the grim reaper
or a serial killer; I think Iím a serial killer now.
Jon: I donít think you have the grim reaper look with you right now.
PZO: As a band what do you think your best qualities
Jon: I think we are just real people; weíre not trying to be cool or impress
anyone. Like weíre just playing music and we meet new people every single
day; regardless of if popularity grows or people catch on the band we
could care less. It would be cool to succeed and stuff like that. We just
want to play music and we just want to be real with people, be friends
with people. I just think thereís lots of people who take music in the
wrong aspects like to impress girls or whatever for money. Itís good to
make money and make a living off playing music; Iím not trying to bash
that. I just think thereís a lot of people who lose the fact of what music
should be about, itís about community and having fun, thatís what it should
always be about.
PZO: If you make money you can make more music. Most people donít understand
especially in the punk community the whole selling out thing, I think
thatís ridiculous, if a band makes money itís more power to them.
Jon: Yeah exactly, like Green Day is seriously one of the most punk bands
I know, their roots have always been grounded and still are. And they
look they are having the time of their lives because they are. They had
the time of their life when they played music in front of 15 people because
they played music you know what I mean. Theyíre that kind of band and
thatís what they still are.
PZO: Thatís why I love them.
Jon: Thatís exactly what we want to be too.
PZO: Who is the most famous person you have
programmed in on your cell phone?
Jon: I just got it so.
PZO: Youíre going to say Josh.
Jon: Yeah Josh <laughs>. Letís see, Scott from the Lindsay
Diaries, no <laughs><phone rings> Oh shoot thatís Josh
actually, hold on, hello?
<Talks to Josh on the phone about interviews>
PZO: Just remember itís all on tape. I wonít put it on.
Jon: Oh great <laughs> The most famous person I have on my
phone is Chad, he runs Militia Group. I know thatís pretty sad.
PZO: Get like the lead singer of Mustard Plug or something. <laughs>
Jon: But I know my best friend Chandler had, when Hopesfall went to record
with Matt Talbott he had to have the number of the studio in order to
get a hold of him. And they actually recorded at Mattís house for a while.
So he had Matt Talbottís phone number programmed in his cell phone and
I looked at it, and Iím like oh my gosh. If you ask Scott from Lindsay
Diaries he has Chris from Dashboard Confessional so I definitely think
that beats Chad from Militia Group. <laughs>
PZO: What event in your life had the greatest
impact on you?
Jon: I think like most impact on me personally nothing to do with music.
My brother used to be a severe drug addict like extremely bad to the point
he almost died, and like right before I moved to California he went to
rehab. I didnít know if anything would work out of it I didnít know if
he would get better cause a lot of people go in and come right back out.
But he went in and came back out and totally decided to quit. Which I
thought was awesome because for me Iím not used to that, I wasnít used
to, I had friends who were into that, Iíve had friends whoíve died from
stuff like that. But I guess since it was family, it brought us a lot
closer. Me living in California and my family living in Minnesota itís
like knowing that everyone is tight and close through an experience makes
it a lot easier to live in California and do music and stuff like that.
I definitely think that had the biggest impact on my life because I look
up to it so much to do something like that is huge, I respect that more
than anything and thatís awesome.
PZO: Something positive always come out of negative stuff, thatís the
way things work.
Jon: Yeah exactly.
PZO: Do you have any superstitious beliefs?
Jon: Oh man, I donít know not really. Our guitarist Shawn, we always say
like bad karma. Cause weíll be driving in the van and something will happen
and heíll be like oh we need to make sure we do this or else next time
itís going to be even worse. Itís just funny we kid around with him and
stuff like that. I donít think we have any superstitions or anything like
that; weíre not freaked out by anything like that.
PZO: Well superstitions is, like you step on someoneís foot so they have
to step on yours or else youíll fight later or something like that.
Jon: Yeah nothing like, no nothing like that.
PZO: What is one thing youíll do no matter how
much money someone paid you?
Jon: Man these are great questions.
PZO: Thank you. <laughs>
Jon: Okay, we went up to Crush, our management office today cause theyíre
right off of Broadway. Theyíre on this huge high rise and seriously I
donít know how many stories it is, but itís far. I went out on the balcony
and was like oh my gosh. But I guess if someone paid me any amount of
money to bungee jump from there down. There would be no way possible I
would do it. I used to be afraid of heights but Iím not as afraid anymore
but still there would be no possible way. Looking out there I was like
oh my gosh Iím getting back inside this is freaking me out so.
PZO: No sky diving anytime soon?
Jon: Actually itís weird, I want to sky dive but something like that because
of the buildings right next to it freaks me out, well youíre used to it.
PZO: I think bungee jumping is more dangerous than sky diving for some
Jon: The freakin chord breaking or something.
PZO: Yeah or your leg breaking you know. I'd think I bungee jump but not
around the leg, the belt around the waist. But then again if the parachute
Together: Youíre pretty screwed. <laughs>
PZO: Splattered all over the place.
PZO: What is your best caught in the act story,
and you better have a good one.
Jon: Oh my gosh, I canít think of one, I canít think of a crazy one.
PZO: Just anything.
Jon: Anything? Oh okay. Well like some kids, in the hardcore scene the
whole straight edge thing is pretty big, Iím not ripping on it or anything.
I used to claim, I still donít drink or smoke or anything like that. Maybe
if I wanted to then whatever but right now I just donít want to, I guess
after a while I felt the whole tag was kind of a ďIím better than youĒ
kind of thing.
PZO: I definitely feel that.
Jon: Yeah thatís kind of why I got rid of it, most of my friends are into
that, which is fine. Iím not gonna not hang out with someone, thatís ridiculous,
itís retarded. But I think the caught in the act thing, everyone kind
of knew me to be that way and stuff and we were on our last tour, I was
in Washington, no I was in Idaho. And I was trying to get us a show and
I went to this bar and I was sitting at the table. I guess someone saw
me there and they posted on the message board that Iím a drunk and stuff
and that they saw me at this bar. I was like what the hell. I didnít even
care I was like whatever, but I think considering the circumstance, people
know me as someone who wasnít in to drinking and smoking thing and then
sitting there at the bar.
PZO: So you donít consider your band straight edge?
Jon: No no not at all, some of us drink and smoke so weíre not affiliated
with that at all. I just brought it up personally because I thought that
was pretty funny because the internet spreads so fast man, seriously the
internet is ridiculous. People blow things out of proportion because they
can hide behind a keyboard. I think that was the most caught in the act
story without being gross.
PZO: Well gross is good.
PZO: I was looking at your CD booklet the artwork
is sick itís awesome.
Jon: You like it? Sweet, awesome.
PZO: Have you seen Bad Religionís Process of Belief booklet by any chance?
Jon: Nah uh.
PZO: Itís very similar with the transparents. Whereíd you get that idea
Jon: Well this guy named Don Clark he works at this thing called Asterik
Studios they did layouts for Poison the Well and a bunch of different
bands. He was really into the record; he was like hey I want to do the
artwork and we were like okay. And he came up with a couple of different
ideas and after we looked at it, it really fit the theme of the CD Light
A Match, For I Deserve To Burn the cover has the peoples heads ignite
on fire. Itís kind of cool, yeah but I mean its kind of interesting itís
a very diverse layout. Itís a lot of different steps when you look at
it its very artsy.
PZO: It fits the music; I think the music is artsy also. You can just
look at the images while the music and bring it to a whole new level.
With mp3 sharing nowadays I think bands should have cool booklets to encourage
people to buy the CD. I wanted to ask you about the title, Light A Match
For I Deserve To Burn. As soon as I read that I was like whoa.
Jon: The meaning behind it kinda? Well basically its based on the song
Light A Match on the record. That song was inspired by our friend Josh
Ressle, we call him red monster. Heís from California, heís a very good
friend, the whole band knows him, me and Josh are very good friends with
him. I guess it was just a poem that Josh wrote to our singer Josh send
it on email and Josh read it, and they put the two, he kind of used that
then put the theme in it like looking at the meaning behind it. If you
look at the world in itself and people, sometimes we do so many things
that pisses us off and weíre like why did we do that? Why am I such an
idiot? Itís not in a morbid sense like I deserve to burn or something
like that. Itís just like looking at yourself and looking at
PZO: Sort of like kicking yourself or biting your tongue.
Jon: Yeah, some of the choices you make it your life. I donít think the
song leaves a negative note I think it leaves a positive note because
itís, not trying to be weird but our singer used this before, sort of
like a planting kind of thing, you know you go through stuff and just
like you said good things always happen through bad experiences usually.
PZO: You learn through your mistakes and stuff like that.
Jon: Yeah exactly itís basically a basis off that, good things happen
out of bad experiences regardless of how bad things get. I mean thereís
a lot of things thatís happened in our lives that were extremely bad but
regardless of what happens and how bad we look at ourselves itís like
why the hell did I do this to myself. I guess you look at it like light
a match, if you light a match and burn yourself things are going to go
away. To get rid of things, but itís just like when you look at it good
things always happen out of the bad experiences.
PZO: I think itís a very awesome poetic title.
Jon: Sweet, our singer is a very poetic guy, all the guys in the band
read a lot but our singer is really into poetry and reading. I think it
really stands out in the music; I donít think things are subliminal on
the record I think it makes people thing and thatís what you want.
PZO: Itís not like straight out there girl broke my heart sort of thing.
I canít listen to that type of stuff; I like music with deeper meaning.
Jon: Yeah Iím not a vocalist or anything, but if I was a vocalist Iíd
take the same approach that Josh does, and Shawn because they both co-write
a lot of the lyrics I think itís one of those things where youíre gonna
say something why donít you make it profound or intelligent because if
youíre going to say things for the sake of being stupid itís kind of pointless
you should put thought behind the things that you say and I think that
should be the thing with everyone. Music should be serious and it should
be fun. But I definitely think we take a serious approach to every aspect
of the band whether itís the artwork or the website.
PZO: I havenít checked out the website yet.
Jon: Yeah okay its actually going to get redesigned, our friend Chandler
does graphic design for Hopesfall, heís going to be redoing our website.
Heís actually doing the new layout now though.
PZO: Itís up now though?
Jon: Yeah we have our old one up now at www.thebeautifulmistake.com
Yeah the new site will be awesome though the guy who is doing it is amazing,
the guy who is doing it is very credible, heís awesome so.
PZO: So everyone should check that out.
Jon: Yeah totally.
PZO: What song has been stuck in your head lately?
Jon: Oh man, trying to think of the name of it. Okay weíre on tour with
this other band called All American Rejects, have you heard of them?
PZO: I was actually supposed to interview them but theyíre not on the
show tonight right? Theyíre doing an in store tomorrow?
Jon: Yeah the in store. I have a very vast musical variety but I remember
when I heard the record for the first time I wasnít a huge fan or whatever.
Then we went on tour and I started seeing them live and thereís this song
on their CD called Happy Endings and it sounds kind of weird but itís
an awesome song, those guys rule.
PZO: I have their CD.
Jon: Yeah their band rules and that song is catchy as hell. The chorus
on it rules.
PZO: I got to check out it.
Jon: Yeah I always, Iíve been listening to the CD a little bit more lately
so I have to say either that or thereís a couple of songs on the new Hopesfall
CD that stand out to me too. Thereís a song Waitress that I really like
a lot. Tons of different stuff too like <laughs> but I have
to say that All American Rejects album has been stuck in my head like
crazy since that all of us have been listening to it every night.
PZO: So check that out.
Jon: Yeah, cool.
PZO: If you could eliminate one band off the
face of the earth, who would you get rid off and how would you get rid
Jon: Okay Iím not going to say this is a collaborative effort, but I think
everyone kind of has had a problem with this band. But like when we were
on our last tour, our alternator went out in our van so we were really
selective of the power we could use in the van so we couldnít use a CD
player because we had to plug it into the lighter input, punk rock rocks
<laughs>. So we just listened to radio and we turn it on and thereís
this band Nickelback, I canít stand that band.
PZO: Yeah, how you remind me?
Jon: Oh my gosh dude like
PZO: I used to like that song but then they played it about 3 million
Jon: We turn on the radio; just turn the knob on in the middle of nowhere
PZO: And it goes on
Jon: And it goes on to Nickelback how you remind me. You know itís fine
PZO: I think they finally stopped playing it.
Jon: Like Iím fine people can listen to whatever they want because I listen
to totally different things that other people would make fun of me for
you know what I mean. For me personally that band Iíd wipe them off the
face of the earth, I donít know how I would do it. I donít know dude I
donít want to be mean but itís just like I look at the singer and his
hair and it just drives me nuts like right off the bat. So I donít know
whenever I see the video I kind of want to take the guitar and smash it
over his face. <laughs> So like I guess thatís the way I
kind of feel about all this.
PZO: The first time I saw the video Iím like what the hell is wrong with
Jon: Yeah I mean they might be the greatest guys in the world thatís why
I feel bad cause Iím not like a -
PZO: Watch you open for them next time.
Jon: <laughs> Weíll play with anyone so but I think one band
that we can definitely do without would be Nickelback so, everyone say
PZO: If you were given the opportunity to be
a spokesman for any company, which company and product would you choose?
Jon: Iíd probably, this will sound so stupid -
PZO: Donít say toilet paper
Jon: Iím not going to say toilet paper; Iíd probably say Iíd probably
be a spokesperson for Gap or something.
Jon: Yeah for like Gap jeans. <laughs>
PZO: Youíd do the Gap commercial?
Jon: I donít know if Iíd do the commercial cause I can not dance.
PZO: Yeah but you can play bass for it.
Jon: Yeah yea of course, Iíd probably say something like that, just because
a lot of my clothes are from it.
PZO: Cover the gap song tonight, you should.
PZO: Pitch that idea over; freak a lot of people out. Make it all artsy
Jon: Iíd probably get my ass kicked. Itíd be something like that, or else
something stupid like me and Shawn and Armin are way into Arizona ice
tea. Weíd probably do something like that, like freakin doing the product
of that stress iced tea.
PZO: Iíve never seen an Arizona commercial I donít think they advertise
Jon: Yeah, but if they can pick anyone to do it, it would probably be
us. Itíll either be that or some form of clothes whether itís Gap or Diesel
or something like, I donít even have Diesel jeans but theyíre nice. <laughs>
PZO: What keeps you grounded and optimistic?
Jon: Just like me personally? Okay, I definitely think friends and family
for sure. Like weíre all about touring, we want to tour eight months out
of the year and stuff like that. It gets hard doing it; I wonít say being
more than four months at a time. Cause after you doing four months at
a time you start going crazy. I definitely would say friends and family,
because when you go home those are the people waiting for you. Once the
band is done you donít have anything else. Thereís people that will remember
you for playing in a band and stuff like that but when it all comes down
to it your family and friends are more important than your music know
what I mean? Weíve had family problems before and of course we set aside
the band, this can wait, this is more important. And it doesnít clash
in if we allow music in or anything like that. I definitely think our
friends and our families are the things that definitely keep us grounded
because sometimes it gets really crazy with so many different things to
do and like especially when we used to do, we did so much do it yourself
stuff like this entire tour I booked it myself you know what I mean. It
gets crazy and really busy, now finally starting to have people to do
that. All the time you were all stressed out thinking the only thing you
can get away to is your friends and family and stuff those are the only
people that are always constant, especially all the members of the band
would say that definitely, respect that.
PZO: Theyíll always be there to support you.
Jon: Yeah itís just sad when people lose the fact of where they started
out from and the fact of whatís really important in their lives. Music
is important but those are the people that supported you and helped you
get there. Those are the people that watched you play in front of ten
people in some shitty bar. Those people will support you always.
PZO: Donít forget your roots.
Jon: Yeah exactly donít forget your roots.
PZO: The great words of H2O. <laughs>
Jon: Yeah <laughs> <coughs> Excuse me.
PZO: Itís okay; Iím doing it too.
PZO: In what ways would you to improve as musicians?
Jon: Oh man, weíre always trying to improve, we really push each other
a lot. Recording with Ed Rose, was probably one of the hardest experiences
of our life. He really pushed us to become better musicians, so thereís
definitely a huge respect for that, and that really fields us when we
go to practice, itís like weíre going to practice on our own, whether
thatís practicing other bands CDs, or what you know. But itís always a
thing of trying to improve, trying to become better. So definitely, its
definitely like something thatís discussed in our band weíre always trying
to improve, weíre never satisfied with how our work performing as musicians.
I donít think there will ever be a time you know, if there was if there
were a time where we became stagnant, became stagnant in how you are as
a musician how do you expect yourself to expand especially musically like
how do you expect your music to grow, evolve. If you think -
PZO: You canít play the same thing over and over again.
Jon: Well yeah if you have the attitude, you should have a positive attitude
and you should go on stage thinking you are for that thirty or forty five
minutes that you should. I think it comes down trying to grow as musician
and stuff. If you have the attitude that you donít think youíre going
to improve, like itís good enough the way it is, then things are going
to go downhill the music will never progress, the music will not get any
better because youíre going to think that youíve already reached a point
that you need to get to. You should always be improving.
PZO: Shoot high.
Jon: Yeah exactly.
PZO: I was going to ask you about the EP, the
first CD, is it being re-released or something?
Jon: Do you have the one that has the girl on the cover?
PZO: No I have the new one.
Jon: Yeah I wasnít actually in the band at the time but they put out a
December EP which is an original demo. I think they pressed 2000 copies
or something like that. And then the record label SideCho Records a branch
off of Militia Group, they wanted to re-release the CD so they put it
out with new artwork and stuff like that and we rerecorded it and the
recording quality turned out really bad.
PZO: Same music?
Jon: Yeah songs with an added song Disclosure. Thatís still out in stores
right now. And actually what happened was they talked to Militia Group
and they wanted us to re-re-record again before we left on this tour because
the recording was really bad and they actually distributed it so we recorded
it again before we left for this last tour and I think in the summer or
spring its going to be re-released but the recording is awesome. It sounds
more current and thereís a lot more new features to it, I definitely would
say that anyone who has it already should buy that one because itís...
PZO: Sounds better?
Jon: Yeah definitely.
PZO: Okay hereís the lightning round. In sixty
seconds tell everyone why they should buy the album Light A Match, For
I Deserve To Burn.
Jon: I definitely think it has awesome artwork, I think it was well produced,
I think anything Ed Rose does is extremely good, and I donít know. I just
think itís definitely something people should always open their ears to.
I think Iím a very open minded person as far as much goes Iím open to
anything so I definitely think itís a record that anyone can pull some
kind of aspect out of it whether youíre an hip-hop fan, an R&B fan,
or a rock and punk or a hardcore kid regardless youíll be able to find
something that you can enjoy out of it.